A Wandering and a A Wondering

December 2, 2020

Once upon a time, this dude named Nick made the mistake of inviting this dude named The Angry GM to be a guest on his podcast. Nick said that he’d interview The Angry GM for about two hours and then he’d cut the interview down to an hour, maybe an hour-and-a-half, like he usually did. Now, The Angry GM was extremely wordy and extremely charismatic. People loved talking to him and they loved listening to him talk. And he could talk for hours. And The Angry GM knew it. He’d done interviews before. The Angry GM warned Nick to keep an eye on the clock and even told Nick that he could cut off The Angry GM at any time. But Nick said it would be fine.

I don’t know when the episode of Brewmasters will appear. Last I heard, Nick was still editing the five hours of raw audio and he wasn’t sure what he was going to do with it all. As soon as I know when it’s going live, I’ll tell y’all.

The reason I bring up my as-yet-unreleased appearance on Brewmasters is that I want to bulls$&% about something Nick and I had a rambly and haphazard discussion about. And hopefully, organize my thoughts and clarify them and expand upon them. Though I realize that my bulls$&% articles aren’t the best medium for organization, clarification, and expansion. But f$&% it. I work with the tools I got.

Now, this story doesn’t actually start with the Brewmasters interview. It starts months and months ago. And it hasn’t really ended yet. See, what I really want to do is share this neat little idea about how to make D&D cities and towns more explorable. But all I’ve got for that so far is one half-a$&ed, last-minute test of the idea during which I totally ruined the visual aids I prepared. See, the visuals aids only really work once and I forgot to scan or photograph them before I used them. Whoops.

Meanwhile, though, I really want to lay down some groundwork about exploration in D&D that not only figures into the idea I mentioned in the preceding paragraph, but also into other plans I have for the new year. So, let’s bulls$&% about exploration.

D&D claims to be about exploration. I mean, most TTRPGs—especially the fantasy kind—suggest that exploration’s a thing that they can do. But D&D’s 5th Edition actually makes the ballsy claim that exploration is one of the three fundamental pillars of the game. And I say that claim is ballsy because there’s literally nothing in the system to back that claim at all. And everyone knows it. At least, everyone smart knows it. Don’t be one of those other people.

You see, there’s been a lot of talk—both in my Patreon community and also the much bigger and much less awesome gaming community at large—there’s been a lot of talk in the community about how people want systems and mechanics that emphasize exploration. Or just encourage it. Or even just f$&%ing enable it a little tiny bit. And that’s because people can see there’s nothing backing up various games’ claims about being all about the explorations. And even when there is something backing up a game’s claims, it turns out to be mostly just duct tape and chewing gum holding up a cardboard sign that says ‘explurashun mode.’

The funny thing is that when you actually hold people down and demand they tell you what they think exploration mechanics should do or what they should look like or even what the hell they think is missing from the exploration mechanics that exist, they can’t give you a solid, useful f$&%ing answer. Usually, they just say, “please let me up or at least stop punching me.” And if you do get an actual answer, it’s usually something like, “you know, more rules for exploring the wilderness.”

As a rule, if you use the term you’re defining in the definition you’re proposing, you don’t know what the f$%& you’re talking about.

Worse than the vague non-answers though are all the flawed and misguided answers. The ones that have nothing to do with exploration. Or that are so abstract that they imitate exploration without actually feeling like exploration. And that’s a huge problem with lots of homebrewed solutions. Hell, it’s a problem with a lot of published solutions. They focus too much on simulating or imitating things and not at all on how things actually feel.

Truth is that when you’re trying to create a game that’s about something, it’s way more important for the players to feel that something than it is to create mechanics that simulate that something. That’s why realism makes a s$&% design goal.

Of course, every solution starts with an accurate description of the problem. I mean, that’s why they have that saying that a problem defined is a problem halved. Or whatever. I don’t know. It’s some British idiom, I think. Like “the exception that proofs the pudding” or “spotted dick.”

Anyway…

Take D&D for example. The designers can get away with claiming that D&D is about exploration because they’re working from a really crappy definition. It’s clear from everything they’ve written and said on the subject that they break the D&D game down into three kinds of encounters. There’s encounters where you kill s$&%, encounters where you talk to s$&%, and encounters where you do anything else. And they call those combat, role-playing, and exploration encounters. Their definition of exploration is “everything that isn’t slaying or speaking.” So they can claim that any rules that are not about shooting first or asking questions later are about exploration. Nice try guys.

But the problem’s more widespread than that. As I said, if you pin down the average gamer and demand examples of exploration rules under threat of violence, they usually scream things like “encumbrance rules” and “overland travel” and “supply management” and “not in the face” and “starvation and exposure rules.” And none of that s$&% has anything to do with exploration. That’s all travel logistics crap. That’s all the s$&% that complicates exploring. The s$&% that keeps you from exploring or that punishes you for it.

Not that I’m saying complications, tradeoffs, and punishments aren’t important. But a cost for a thing is not the thing itself.

My point is, you’ve got to be able to describe how something feels if you want your game to be about that something. The feeling is what you’re trying to create. And while most people can kinda sorta give a passable definition of ‘exploration,’ they usually can’t isolate the feelings that make exploring feel like exploring.

And that’s where I come in. Because my schtick is all about describing things that seem so obvious and intuitive that they don’t need a description. I wanted to know what makes exploration feel like exploration.

But how do you figure out what makes exploration feel like exploration? Well, let me ask you a question: when you’re playing a game—video-, board-, or role-playing—do you think you can tell when you’re exploring and when you’re not? I mean, if I interrupted you at random intervals while you were playing your game and said, “hey, dingus, that thing you’re doing right now, is that exploring or not exploring,” do you think you could answer? Do you think you could answer honestly? Do you think you could answer based solely on your feelings and not on what the game told you what was happening? And do you think you could do it without getting pissed off at me for interrupting you and asking the same question over and over and calling you dingus?

Yeah. You probably could.

Hell, you probably wouldn’t even need me interrupting you and calling you dingus. If you practiced and stayed mindful, you could probably just learn to recognize when you were in an exploration frame of mind. You could probably even rate on a scale how explorey you felt. And you could record your experiences in a journal. In fact, if you’re interested at all in exploration in RPGs, you should try it yourself. Go ahead and do it right now for about six months and then come back here. I’ll wait.

Okay, I’m obviously just f$%&ing with you. No one would actually be crazy enough to do that s$&%. No one would log their gameplay experiences for months just to isolate the gamefeel of exploration. Nor would they ask anyone else to do the same thing. Nor would they encourage people to talk about their gameplay experiences, watch out for certain cue words and phrases, ask leading questions, and surreptitiously take notes. Nor would they troll through user reviews, comments, and discussion threads about different games. That’d be a huge, pain-in-the-a$& undertaking. But it’d also be a great way to isolate the gamefeel of a thing, wouldn’t it?

Anyway…

I hit the conclusion that there’s basically four keys to the gamefeel of exploration. But I have to be really f$&%ing clear about what I’m talking about. I’m not trying to define ‘exploration’. I don’t give a single, solitary, tiny little f$&% about the definition. It doesn’t f$&%ing matter. Because I’m not trying to simulate exploring. I’m not trying to replicate the act of exploring. I’m trying to make something that feels like exploring. And that’s a highly subjective, intuitive thing. You can’t define feelings. You can only describe them. And feel them.

The first key’s simple. When you’re satisfying your own curiosity, you’re exploring. In fact, at its core, the exploration cycle is a really simple one. First, you have a question. Then, you answer it. Bam. Exploring. The question itself doesn’t really matter. It might be a simple one that’s easy to answer like, “what’s behind that door” or “what’s over there?” Or it might be a more complex question that requires some digging like, “what did that lever actually do” or “there’s five holes here and I found three hole-shaped gems; so where are the other two?”

Now, you’re probably saying, “no s$&% Angry. It’s obvious that exploration’s about satisfying curiosity.” But don’t get mouthy with me. Because most people—probably including you—think that exploration begins and ends with the environment itself. That it’s a physical thing you do to a place. But there’s lots of ways to explore. And those ways are defined by questions like “who built these ruins and why” or “what the hell happened here” or “why is this one building so much older than all the others in town” or “why is the innkeeper so troubled” or “so what would happen if I put a portable hole inside a bag of holding while I was already on the Astral Plane?”

If you pay close attention to when you feel like you’re exploring and when you feel like you’re not, you discover some things that never seemed like exploration actually feel like they are. Remember those old, tile-based RPGs where you’d hit a new town and spend an hour wandering around talking to everyone? What about the hour you spent reading the lore descriptions of all the items you had in your bottomless treasure chest of storage in Dark Souls. I remember a very distinct moment during a recent replay of Dark Souls Remastered: Just Pay Us Again for the Same Damned Game Edition when I finally actually got how the New Londo Ruins and the Valley of the Drakes and Darkroot Basin all fit together and where they were in relation to Undead Paris. I was running from area to area, looking all around at the different landmarks until it all just fit. I had the same kind of moment in Bloodborne when I recognized the Cleric’ Beast’s bridge and figured out that they were behind that one door in Cathedral Ward.

And yes, I could have just looked up maps and 3D model dumps online, but that wouldn’t be exploring, would it?

Which brings me to the second key to the gamefeel of exploration. Exploration’s an act of intellectual conquest. It’s a way of gaining power. Not by becoming physically stronger, mind you. By becoming mentally stronger. Every time you ask a question about the world and then answer it, you gain power over the world. Exploration is a way of pushing back the darkness of ignorance and bringing things into the light of knowledge. Consider revealing a video game map as you explore the world. You’re literally beating back the fog-of-war. When you understand how the world fits together, you can navigate it better. And when you talk to an NPC—when you learn their motives and backstory—you can influence them.

The intellectual power that comes from exploring is particularly satisfying because of the third key. Exploration is self-directed. It’s not something the game—or the GM—can force you to do. The best a game or GM can do is give you opportunities to explore. It can’t make you explore. Which is why some exploration-based games fall flat and some open-world games don’t feel explorable at all.

Now, this is a tricky point. Some games—and some GMs—explicitly assign players the task of exploring. A GM might give you the task of exploring a dungeon or mapping a region. And that s$&% can work. But it can also fail. Take Darkest Dungeon. In that game, you’re literally told to explore some dungeons. Like, that’s the goal. To finish the mission, you have to visit 90% of the rooms in a randomly generated dungeon map. And that s$&% doesn’t feel like exploring at all. Especially when you compare it to the s$&% you get up to in, say, Breath of the Wild.

When I say exploration’s player-driven, I mean that the players have to either ask questions and then seek the answers or the game has to pose a question that interests the players enough to seek the answer. The players have to care about the answer enough to seek it. The ‘explore the dungeon’ quests in DD flop because DD doesn’t pose a question. It just provides a checklist of rooms to visit. And there’s nothing interesting to find in those rooms. Once you’ve explored one randomly generated dungeon in one of the game’s biomes, you’ve explored them all. And the stuff that is interesting and unique is scattered at random through the game.

By the way, that’s something else that can f$&% up the gamefeel of exploration. If the game’s being generated at random and the players know it or if the players help invent the game world by exploring it, it stops feeling like exploration. I’ve seen a few GMs and systems that add a sense of exploration by asking the players to conjure up answers to their own questions. Can that be fun? Hell yes. That can be a blast for the right players. But is it exploration? Does it feel like exploration? No. Because creating the world isn’t the same as intellectually conquering it. And receiving random whatevers from the dice gods whenever you enter a blank spot on a random map; that wrecks the idea that there’s a coherent, consistent world that you can possibly learn or understand.

Ultimately, the first three keys to the gamefeel of exploration can be summed up with two words: wonder and wander. Exploration starts with the players wondering about something. “I wonder what’s over there.” “I wonder what happened here.” “I wonder what this lever does.” “I wonder who built this place.” “I wonder what this dude’s story is.” The players have to wonder about things. You can give the players things to wonder about or point out wonderable things and hope the players wonder about them, but it’s down to the players to actually wonder about them. To wonder enough to wander over and wonder no more.

Goals are almost an anathema to exploration. When you’re searching for something, you’re not exploring. When you’re mapping a space, you’re not exploring. When you’re checking off 90% of the rooms, you’re not exploring. You’re exploring when you wonder about something and wander off to satisfy your curiosity.

But that’s just three keys and I said the gamefeel of exploration had four keys. The fourth has to do with human psychology. And it’s specifically that, however interested you are in doing something, if there’s no payoff, you’ll stop doing it eventually. So, all the wondering in the world won’t keep you wandering if there’s never anything wonderful to find. But even if you’re not wondering about anything, once you stumble over enough wonderful things, you’ll probably start wandering.

I’ve already mentioned two payoffs for wondering and wandering. First, there’s the satisfaction of curiosity. When you’re curious about something and then seek and find the answer, you get a warm fuzzy feeling in the cockles of your brain bits. Second, there’s intellectual conquest. When you explore, you learn, and that makes you more powerful. Basically, when you explore, you discover interesting and useful information. And those two information rewards—one intrinsic and one extrinsic—form the basic exploration reward structure. Intrinsic satisfaction and extrinsic growth. They make exploration worthwhile.

At least for a little while. Because all rewards have diminishing returns. And because of a few other things. To understand those other things, we can ask another question and keep another journal for another six months while trolling gamer forums and grilling our friends and family about their experiences.

The question is “why are some worlds more satisfying to explore than others?” And the answer has to do with the kind, scope, and scale of the exploration rewards. Let’s call them, collectively, discoveries. A discovery is any payoff you get from exploring.

The first problem is that a man cannot live on interesting discoveries alone. See, lots of games—especially open-world games and games that try to imitate different flavors of Soulsbourne—think they can make you happy if they just scatter lots of interesting information around. Usually, text dumps of expository info. Sure, some of it’s fun to read, but most of it’s irrelevant to gameplay. The thousands of pages of text in the Elder Scrolls games are a perfect example. So are the text dumps and logs in Horizon: Zero Dawn. Some players eat that s$&% up, sure. But most just get bored with it eventually. And if it’s all there is to find when you’re exploring, eventually, you stop wandering.

But a man cannot live on information alone. Even if the information’s actually useful—like maps hidden around the game world or clues that help you master wall jumps and shine sparks and dark metamorphosis spells or information about boss weaknesses or whatever—even if there’s useful information to be found, information’s just one kind of reward. People need variety in their discovery diets.

The most fun worlds to explore are the ones that have lots of different kinds of things to discover. Not lots of different things, mind you, different kinds of things. For a start, it’s fun to explore a world when, at any given moment, you might turn up an interesting bit of lore or a useful clue or a power-up or an optional upgrade or an ability unlock or money you can use to buy something cool. But there are a few games that have gone even farther. There’s games that include hidden areas to explore, hidden bosses to fight, hidden side-quests, hidden challenges, and hidden mysteries to drive further exploration. There’s even games that get easier to play the more you explore. There’s games with hidden shortcuts to find, for example, or extra checkpoints that make it easier to get around. Probably the most brilliant example of how this all comes together is with a hidden quest in Hollow Knight that tasks you with delivering an item from one optional, hidden area to another optional area without using the game’s fast travel system and without taking a single point of damage. Yeah, it’s a pain in the a$& and it’s much-maligned, but if you know the map really well and know which areas you can handle best and you can plot the safest, most efficient route, you’re much more likely to pull it off.

In fact, I have to say that Hollow Knight provides the hands-down best example of how to reward exploration of any video game ever. There’s just so many different kinds of things to find. And all the different things aren’t all useful to every player at every stage of the game, most of them are mostly useful to most players most of the time. Apart from the random bits of world lore and the clues that tell you how to complete the game’s main objectives, there’s health and mana upgrades, there’s sellable trinkets, there’s charms that basically work like feats and character abilities in D&D, you discover magic spells and spell upgrades, you can find hidden shortcuts and hidden areas and hidden bosses, you can follow hidden NPCs with their own storyline, there’s shops to discover, there’s weapon upgrades, there’s special combat moves, there’s hidden side quests, and there’s several different endings based on how deep you get into the game. And also—and this is a kind of exploration reward that gets overlooked a lot—most of the hand-drawn biomes in Hollow Knight are just beautiful. There’s a joy in stumbling on something unexpected or beautiful or awe-inspiring or even dreadful. Consider the first time you saw one of the dragons in The Legend of Zelda: The Breath of the Wild.

Compare that list to the pinnacles of exploration-based gameplay of yesterday. How many times in Super Metroid did you say, “oh, another f$&%ing missile tank; I sure am glad I came this way”? How often in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night did you not even bother to open the menu and check the stats on whatever piece of armor or weapon or useless consumable you just picked up. You knew it was garbage.

Players might have a natural drive to explore. But without payoffs—without discoveries—that natural drive will be driven right out of them. And if players don’t have a natural drive to explore, the right set of payoffs will push them to do it anyway. But the discoveries have to feel like payoffs. They have to vary in kind, scope, scale, and appeal. Especially in TTRPGs. Those are team sports after all and every member of the team values different payoffs differently. So you need information rewards and you need tangible rewards. You need permanent upgrades and you need temporary boons. You need things that make the game easier and things that offer new challenges. You need things that open up new options and things that pose new questions to answer. And you need surprising, delightful, wonderful, dreadful, terrible things.

And this s$&% should be easy for TTRPGs, right? Exploration is player-driven and open-ended and discoveries have to vary broadly in scope and scale and kind. All of that s$&% plays right into the TTRPG wheelhouse. So why do most TTRPGs have so much trouble with this exploration s$&%?

Well, first, there’s a weird separation between the RPG system and the RPG game. When something exists in a video game, the game’s engine—the rules that make the game work—the game’s engine has to support it. Otherwise, it can’t exist. But TTRPGs are just toolsets. Basic toolsets. They rely on adventure designers and GMs to put the tools together into fun games. And if the designer wants to put something in their game that’s not in the system, the designer must build it themselves or just, you know, not put it in. The thing is, it takes a lot of skill and design-savvy to assemble the pieces into a good game and even more to build new pieces out of whole cloth. And most TTRPG systems don’t help. They can’t even provide advice for how to dole out basic informational discoveries, let alone come up with good mechanical systems to govern that s$&%. And the ones that do try just boil it all down to weird abstractions. Like a divination ability getting handwaved down to “you get an unspecified clue in the form of an abstract bonus you can apply to whatever check you want later and then we’ll retroactively say the information you divined pertained to that particular check.” Yes, that effectively simulates getting a useful clue from the gods, but it doesn’t feel like getting a useful clue from the gods.

Imagine, for example, if every monster and trap in the DMG or the MM or whatever had a little list of ‘useful’ and ‘interesting’ tidbits of information the GM could scatter around the dungeon or give out during the research phase of the adventure. If the adventure included a certain monster, for example, the GM would have a prewritten piece of information that’d help the players defeat it to give the diviner. Or the sage. Or hide behind the hidden door in the library. That’s just a tiny example off the top of my head of how a system could facilitate information rewards.

Second, though, is this weird problem with how the nature of narrative gameplay interacts with player-driven curiosity. Because the game’s world is primarily presented as a verbal description, it’s impossible for the players to notice something completely on their own. And the players know it. Sure, in Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, when you spot the three apple trees in a perfect row on top of a ridge, you know the designers put those trees there on purpose. But they didn’t make you notice them. You could have totally failed to notice them. You could have missed them against the background visual noise of the world. Or approached from the wrong angle and not seen they’re in a row. Or run by too fast to see them because you were busy fleeing a silver lynel. In a TTRPG, though, it’s hard to miss anything because the GM describes everything that’s important and leaves out everything that’s not. So the only thing you can really wonder is “why did the GM mention that?”

Third, a lot of games—and this is especially true of D&D 5E and its ilk—a lot of games just don’t have a lot of variety in their reward structures to begin with. So there’s not much the GM can use to payoff exploration. If you look only at what the system offers as core and not the optional s$&% buried in the back of the DMG no one read and not what creative and savvy genius GMs can create on their own, what can you hide around your 5E dungeon to reward exploration? Money? It’s pretty useless and the characters usually get pretty rich pretty quickly. Magic items? Yeah? Those are nice. What else? Yeah. Not much.

Remember Castlevania: Symphony of the Night? Remember how your pack was full to bursting by the end with magic swords and magic cloaks and magic armor and consumables and throwables? Remember how it was mostly junk you never used? And remember how bored you were with finding it all by the end? And C: SotN also had health and mana and permanent character upgrades to find. In D&D, you’re just handed that s$&% after you’ve killed enough wombats to level up.

D&D claims it’s about exploration, but there’s nothing in the system to back that up. D&D is only about exploration if the GM’s smart enough to make it about exploration on their own. And most GMs don’t understand what makes exploration feel like exploration. And if they do, they don’t know how to bring it to the table. It ain’t just a twisty, turning, maze-like map. It ain’t just a blank hex-grid and an invitation to fill it in. Though, interestingly, classic hex-crawl play does solve precisely one of the three problems with exploration in TTRPGs that I outlined above. See if you can figure out which one.

Anyway, it was months of working through this crap—trying to crap this game-design nit—combined with a random, happy accident at my game table over a year ago that made me start thinking about to build a truly explorable town in D&D. Particularly because, when it comes to exploration, everyone thinks about the dungeon and the wilderness. No one considers the town explorable.

But we’ll have to talk about that another time. After I make some new visuals.


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19 thoughts on “A Wandering and a A Wondering

  1. It’s strange with how often people mention exploration and only talk about travel rules, or every now and then someone comes around and claims 5E has exploration rules and start talking about the god awful travel rules which basically consists of rolling 10 dices and check random tables every in game day.

    I kind of was expecting you to also mention THE, in my opinion, exploration game. Outer Wilds (not Outer Worlds the rpg by obsidian).
    That game is basically 90% exploration. It’s also one of those games difficult to discuss because it mostly exploration that almost anything you’d like to talk about is most likely a spoiler. That said it does fall into the information focus explorer game. No real tangible rewards such as upgrades, money, etc.

    I think exploration support seems so sparse in most rpgs because it requires advice on how to build adventures and not that many rules. For some reason every RPG seems really averse to the idea of actually telling people how to do anything in their games apart from telling you the rules or dumping lore on you.

  2. Great article!

    To my mind as a fairly inexperienced DM, the big issue with exploration is that in the real world, everything has a backstory, and is connected to the rest of the world in some way. RPGs which do this well have loads of stuff in these little optional bits which game designers must have spent hours creating and cross-checking. In a TTRPG, it’s down to us as DMs to generate all that on the fly, and to keep it cohesive. Hoping you’re going to give us some tips on that?

    Also, there’s a bit of a Chekhov’s gun issue – in RPGs, there’s often some OOC signal that something is a side-quest – e.g. info in the HUD like “lost sector” can be a signal that you’ve found something cool, but not part of the primary plotline. Whereas, when I’ve given a bit of extra description, side NPCs to talk to, etc, players can get hung up on them, convinced they’re integral to the main plot and must therefore know something about the (BBEG/McGuffin/etc). Is that an issue, and if so, how do we overcome it?

    • I definitely agree with the Chekhov’s Gun issue; I can’t count how many times I’ve mentioned something in passing and it takes the party’s focus. I think the best way to overcome that is to be flexible with information — if a player decides an NPC must be integral to the main plot, you can *make* them integral to the main plot.

      Something I often try to do is to have 3(ish) necessary pieces of information that I plan to reveal in whatever form comes up (with a backup plan in case it doesn’t). This way, if the players get hung up on the fact that a chair is in the middle of the room (to reference Critical Role), I can reward the players’ investigative efforts by placing some of the information there, allowing them to think they’re so clever for noticing that!

      • Not that I think your solution is inherently wrong, (although it is easy to misuse in a way that compromises your world’s consistency and/or some aspects of plot) but for dangeon master’s sake, I wanted to point out that there can be value in just allowing the players to realize that the NPC or event or whatever is NOT important to the main plot. If you do that enough, you’ll teach them to not get so stuck on things and to view the world as more of a living thing with “real” people going about their own business, rather then seeing everything as a lever to pull to affect the main plot line. That all comes down to the kind of game you want to run, though. If you prefer a more linear video-gamey type of game, there’s probably not much value in teaching the players that not everything has a connection to everything else. In that kind of game, they’re just going to wonder why you wasted their time.

        Unfortunately, I don’t have a good answer for how to “signal” that something isn’t part of the main quest. In my experience, you just have to train your players to consider that themselves. (Or, if they get “stuck” with enough stubbornness, maybe just tell them outright. Eventually they’ll get it. Don’t take that approach lightly, though)

        • I get this problem when describing environments.
          Think of a video game, a corridor might be full of beautiful miscellaneous contents that you can’t interact with, that you can still appreciate in a quarter of a second when sprinting past in order to get to the boss fight. You and the game 3D artists alike probably have no idea what half the stuff is but it looks cool.
          But when I try to describe a corridor like that in a TTRPG, players will constantly want to stop and assess if anything is important or valuable. They get all “why did you even mention it!?” if I ultimately say it’s worthless junk.

          • Eminds me of how the original Dracula novel has A LOT of detail in it.

            While we dont have to go to such extremes, I do agree that we should be able to describe an area without someone going “HMM PERHAPS I CAN SELL THE DOOR FOR MONEY”

          • Personally, I’ve started trying to use the level of detail I describe and the structure of my descriptions to indicate when something is just for atmosphere. I won’t describe each painting and light fixture on the wall. (Besides, who has the time?) Instead, I’ll say something like, “the corridor walls are decorated with a row of paintings of all various things, and they’re lit by candles in fixtures. The candles provide enough light to see the intersection up ahead, where [important things I want you to pay attention to are happening].” I use few words on the atmospheric elements and describe them vaguely, and in the same sentence I lead into the thing I want attention on, which will be described in more detail. If I had said the paintings seemed to depict the history of the castle, inevitably someone would focus on that, thinking it was a clue. If I said they had priceless gold frames, someone would start looting and forget the quest. If you describe your game world like Tolkien described Middle Earth, you’ll be herding cherry-picking cats forever.

            In contrast, when something is meant to be a clue, but I want the players to feel clever, I might “hide” it in the atmospheric content, but I’ll drop some intriguing detail in there, like noting that all but one of the paintings is in shades of blue and green. You can bet someone will remember that, even after I describe the obviously important stuff. The color may not even be the significant part, but you can bet it’ll get them looking at the paintings.

            None of that’s foolproof, but I hope it helps.

    • I dont think there is much wrong with being upfront about side paths and such. Some players will want to always explore everything, others will want to stick to their mission.

      Videogames dont usually penalize you if you spend 5 hours running around before delivering the much-needed care package.

  3. For some time now I’m thinking about how to fit into the game my maps. I’m slowly working on sprawling maps of other planes, and while I’m fascinated with them I’m unable to make something explorable out of them. They’re mostly 3D voids filled with damage, and traversing them is literally more simplistic then traversing a forest at early levels. It’s all in preparation, in logistics, in obtaining gear, and nothing in journey or landscape. I’m generally sad and rambling about it, but I feel that not understanding what exploration is plays a major role in my problem with this stuff, so looking forward to something

    • You could think about maps in the same way Angry presents his dungeons: a flowchart of areas.
      You just gotta to add side areas that serve some purpose.

      And hey, there’s nothing wrong with a path that has no side areas, or side areas that are obvious to find.

  4. For “some reason” nichey indie games like Kenshi and Outward do exploration really well. When I started those games I trucked my low-level ass all over the world getting beaten up and toughening up. I just wanted to know what the world looked like, what was out there, and what I was up against before I even started the main story. There is an actual way those games are structured mechanically that causes that, related to how level ups work (not traditionally) but also what you can do and what you can’t do in other games.

    Also my guess for the hex-crawlers is the map. The hex map can show the three trees.

  5. Curious that you didn’t note that the usual pay-off for videogame exploration is time. You invest 5 minutes walking off the road and stumble upon a chest or something, grab the loot and run back to the main quest. TTRPGs can’t just do that, unless you come up with a way to consistently waste players’ time when they want to search for treasure (dungeons are actually great for this, but seems like people are sick of playing dungeons with dragons).

    However, that doesn’t mean that players don’t get any info at all while sticking to the main line. You’ve given the example of “clues about the beasts that are in the dungeon”, and that’s a solid one. Hell, it’s my main gripe on XCOM 2: You have a flying ship, you have to fight the aliens taking over the world goverment… and noone even thought of giving a quick scout report before you engage and get decimated by a new type of enemy that you’re not prepared for. Or that the secret base we’re meant to sneak into actually consists of two buildings.
    Something I tend to look at, and miss not being able to put to use in games, is the terrain – hills, cliffs, muddy ground, forests, etc. 95% of games out there (Tabletop and video alike) will make you flight on flat-ish ground. Hell, even in Starfinder Society, you’d rarely find any Difficult Terrain (which is a great tool to spice up combat), unless it’s like the MAIN feature of the area, such as a river or a crashlanded starship that’s on fire.

    In the end, exploration is not easy to do. Exploring a city varies for everyone: Some want to know about its folk, other want to dwell into the intrigue, there’s those who just want to raid or destroy it, and the merchant guy who is looking into the whole region to establish a monopoly. It’s not a word to be thrown about willy-nilly, as exploration has many, many genres.

    But the lore dump type of exploration is the weakest. Fck your diary logs, gimme loot.

  6. I really like the idea of monster lore being around for players to find or divine. One thing I notice is that Wizards are the only class that have a built-in exploration reward in that they can find new spells; do you think it would be helpful if every class had something like that? Maybe Sorcerers could have a built in “learn new metamagic options by exploring”, or Barbarians could have a built in mechanic where they can find totems around the world and gain more versatility?

    • The common global exploration reward is loot or xp, so adding class-specific goodies isnt too far off.

      The problem comes when you can only offer loot and xp. It makes exploration just samey and not that different from a dungeon.

    • This’d be pretty cool, I thought it’d be kind of neat if druids had to earn their wildshapes in some way for example. Save (or look at) the elephant from the poachers, and attune with their spirits or whatever.

      • I always loved how, in Final Fantasy II SNES—because when I was a kid, it was FFII—Rydia earned a bunch of special summons by visiting powerful entities and convincing them to help. There are so many great examples of abilities that could be earned through play that it’s sad D&D doesn’t go that route. Feats. Spells. Summons. Perks. Blessings. Domain powers. All sorts of crap.

  7. It seems to me that a big part of exploration in most (other) games is the exploration of character options. When I play a video game, I want to discover what abilities a Warrior gets as he levels, or a wizard gets as he levels. I want to discover the spells that are available in the game and what they do.

    D&D just front-loads all of this in a massive info-dump that is the PHB. It’s a shame.

    Imagine if character options, except for the initial options, were meant for the DM-only. In order to learn what 3rd level spells are in the game, you have to create a character and reach level 5 to find out. What subclasses are there for fighters? Get to level 3 and find out… Or if you want to go even more hardcore, get to level 3 and seek out the information and travel to meet a trainer who can train you.

    I personally think is an overlooked source of exploration reward, and I try to build it into my home-brewed worlds. If the default assumption of D&D was not “read the PHB so you can know all options for all possible characters, ever” then there’s be a lot of discovery to be had.

    You could even go Gloomhaven-inspired for open tables and have certain races and classes (ditto for subraces, subclasses, feats, spells, etc) only be unlocked when they are discovered in-world.

    In a game like Diablo, or WOW, or any other RPG, I would replay the game as another class just to get the gameplay experience. That is exploration. In D&D, you don’t need to “explore” the gameplay to receive the reward… you can just crack open the PHB and read the information.

    • I think it’s a little harder to make that work with D&D for a couple of reasons. First, depending on your group, it can take an EXTREMELY long time to see what higher levels have to offer, if you ever get there at all. I don’t think I’ve ever had a single character for more than 5 levels. Our campaigns just don’t last that long, and we don’t really carry characters over between games. Video games, even the long ones, usually let you see all of the options a character has (in a particular play-through) within 40 hours. In D&D, that amount of time wouldn’t even get you close. (Not to mention that you have to wait for all your friends to be available before you can play again)

      Second, as much as people talk about D&D classes being archetypes, I think their individual abilities would be surprising to newcomers. I know I was very confused by the way magic worked when I first started playing. I was all amped up to play a wizard, (or wizard-like character) but quickly changed my mind when I learned that I’d be forgetting spells upon casting until I re-memorized them the next day. (And don’t get me started on the list I had to read through to choose from) Familiars, pets, magic, and monk-magic all work differently from what I would have expected, and I had read more fantasy (especially Tolkien) than most people 5 times my age by the time I tried D&D. I STILL find it odd that fighters get extra attacks. Many of those discoveries would have been very disappointing to me if I had spent months of gaming investing in a character, expecting something different.

      I don’t think this is a bad idea for the right kind of game, but man would I hate it in D&D. If I kept playing past my first character, (which would have been a wizard) I would have been disappointed by a lot of classes before I found ones that I liked, and I would have never tried many that are a lot more fun than I would have thought.

  8. One of the big issues with the kinds of rewards you can give in this scenario is that many things have become playerified, we’ve been playing Pathfinder 2e and I keep having to push back on my players taking for granted that uncommon/rare marked items and options are automatically in their standard purview. I’ve been planning a reward structure for an upcoming West Marches game, and one of my friends/players whose usually pretty good to bounce system stuff of gets very pushy about trying to make rewards so consistent that you basically can’t miss them, any ‘discoverable’ reward should in his eyes, just be gravy on top of a very generous baseline that you should basically get just for being alive. All this despite the intentional use of automatic bonus progression and such to nullify the need for a mandatory wealth by level, and an explicit design goal of treasure hunting as the primary activity.

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